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Poster: jessandra Date: Dec 9, 2009 11:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

I'm really not into all the modern gadgets and stuff but finally ended up getting an ipod. My main motivation was to have endless good music for the whole family in the car when we go on road trips, holidays etc without having to transport all my cds with us.

Anyways, I added a bunch of cds for the kids, a few Thunder & Lightening shows, Kimock & GD auds. Well, I have to say the sound sucks. The recordings sound just ok on my computer but when I plug my ipod into the car stereo they sound really dampened and on the home stereo even worse - WAY too much bass etc. I must add that the commercial cds I copied for the kids sound a little better but still not great.

Is this normal? I have several of these auds (same recordings) that I also downloaded as a shns and put on cd. Of course they sound way better.

Now, I know that mp3s are extremely condensed but I had no idea the sound would be that bad.

So question 1 - if I burn a shn onto cd and then copy the cd into my ipod will the sound quality be somewhat better than a mp3 download? Will it also be converted or compressed to an mp3 standard or stay (quality wise) the same as it is on cd?

2nd question - which probably answers the first - how the hell can a whole cd be copied onto an ipod in ca. 30-50 seconds? I guess that means they are also compressed immensely.

Please excuse my ignorance but I am not enjoying listening to this stuff at all and now have a bunch of cds back in my car again.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Dec 10, 2009 12:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

How does the Ipod sound through the headphones is also a good place to start?

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Poster: jessandra Date: Dec 10, 2009 3:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

Thanks for the suggestion - I'll try that.

I'll also take a listen on real headphones - I hate the little nobs in the ear, they hurt.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 10, 2009 6:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

i am with Tell on this - although not perfect, the sound from my iPod is super considering what the little machine really is. Ive got almost 100 gigabytes on mine and dont leave home without it :)

many of them have an "equalizer" in them - make sure the setting is correct for the type of music you are listening to - it can make a HUGE difference.

and like others have mentioned - it also depends upon how the signal is actually getting to your car speakers.

Good luck and dont give up on that little miracle device

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Poster: spacedface Date: Dec 10, 2009 9:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

And best EQ settings vary by show version.

Any iPod without a hard drive should be stereophile capable. I listened to $200 earphones at Macworld SF and you can distinctly hear the difference between headphones.

You could also try data CDs with mp3, if you're having trouble with connection. I don't like the way iTunes and WiMP make mp3 CDs.

For missing metadata, I think someone's out of luck. You can use iTunes to managed music metadata totally apart from any iPod. If you're on the Mac OS, there may be hope of using Applescripts to patch your song names. I'm on Windows and have to do this manually. Does anyone know an app for that?

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Poster: drspark61 Date: Dec 11, 2009 7:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

Using a data CD with mp3s is a good option, albeit not as user friendly as playing the music from an iPod or other device. Most modern aftermarket car sound systems support mp3 CDs, and you can fit 8-10 hours of music on a disc depending on the encode rate.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 10, 2009 9:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

"And best EQ settings vary by show version."

aint that the truth!! never mind shuffling between jazz, blues, GD, and (ie) Alice in Chains. Ah well, such is life :)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 10, 2009 6:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

J--all I can say is that my experience with ipods, or any of them, is that the sound is GREAT...now, we have all discussed here endlessly that mp3 is less than WAV, etc, etc. But, you should not have this experience you describe.

My sons play their ipods thru stereos and in cars and the sound blows me away...now, sometimes this is because they load up WAV files (you can do this...you don't have to convert them to MP3 if you don't want to...but it really doesn't make much "real listening" difference).

The ipods sound GREAT with almost ANY kind of headphones, including the annoying ones they provide you with...I buy slightly better ones, but great sound in your ear does NOT require the really expensive headphones; folks that really make a big deal about exp hd phones are more about noise reduction that real high fidelity (the ear works in such a way that the sound produced by simple hdphones is usu more than over and above our sonic range of detection).

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Poster: jessandra Date: Dec 10, 2009 11:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

Ok, I tried a few things. Firstly, I listened with normal headphones and it's sounds pretty darn good.

I then tried the car - I also use the Aux plug. It sounds fine at low volume but not as good when it's louder. Turned the ipod volume down and the stereo volume up as suggested and I do actually think it is a little better - Thanks fors that tip.

On the home stereo it is still way to basey - I love a good bass sound but here I am basically adjusting the EQ that the bass is turned down completely and it is still dominant. It isn't my speakers as the sound is fine playing cds etc. My ipod is attached to the phono input of the stereo. Could that be the problem?

I can still exchange it.

This post was modified by jessandra on 2009-12-10 19:46:02

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Poster: dizbuster Date: Dec 11, 2009 7:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

that could be the problem. if your stereo has an AUX input jack try hooking it up to that. good luck!

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Poster: yur worst enemy too Date: Dec 11, 2009 7:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

or patchcords that Y to a mini jack... does an ipod have a lineout ?

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Dec 11, 2009 8:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

Your headphone jack is your line out. I don't own an ipod, but have constructed my own patch to my home stereo by sodering a pair of RCA jacks to a male headphone jack.
It's kind of tricky being that the wires are so fine, but once everything is seperated it soders together pretty nicely. I've done it w/ my Mp3 player.
Im sure that there is an after market connector you could buy, I only did mine myself being the cheapskate that I am.

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Poster: yur worst enemy too Date: Dec 11, 2009 3:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

no true. line-out and a headphone jack are entirely two separate ports (i.e. your ass and your mouth) same as line-in and mic-in

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Poster: yur worst enemy too Date: Dec 10, 2009 11:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

maybe try a pre amp or line in plug... I'm working on things as well >

Acid Dreams 2.32

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Dec 10, 2009 12:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

i would try exchanging jacks jessandra and look in your settings for a bass/loudness button on the home system i tryed to hook up an x-tra cd player to and old realistic home player for the garage and plugged into the phono jacks pressed play and got some massive feedback that phil would have been proud of lol!!as for the i-pod these links might help>>http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2167 and not suggesting anything at all about the title of this next site>>>http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/connecting-your-ipod-to-a-home-stereo.html i hope that helps jessandra peace love and music alway's :)

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Poster: jessandra Date: Dec 10, 2009 12:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

Thanks,

Will pursue the links and look into this :-) !!

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Poster: yur worst enemy too Date: Dec 10, 2009 7:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/free/839148/

http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/managing_your_ipod_without_itunes

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Poster: clashcity Date: Dec 10, 2009 9:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

The best thing you have done would've been not buying an iPod.

They cost twice as much as similar models, utilize clunky proprietary software, and if you follow "The Apple Way" will corner you with proprietary file formats as well.

Do yourself a favor and return it. Get something that supports open standards.

Of course people are sheep and slick marketing trumps all.

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Poster: jessandra Date: Dec 10, 2009 11:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

I was talked into buying an ipod by my 74 year old Dad. He just loves his with all the whistles and bells for stereo, TV and car and has been trying to convince me to get one for ages now. I always said I didn't need one and thought them too pricey so he sent me a check (early X-mas present) and told me to buy one. So I did!

I bought my hubby a smaller Grundig Mp3 player last year and he has no complaints. He only listens to it with earplugs though.

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Poster: davebigdaddy Date: Dec 11, 2009 4:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

You might try to find a small program called Rockbox, DL it, and install on the iPod. I believe it allows you to play FLAC files without decoding to the larger WAV format or lossy mp3s. Unsure about SHN compatibility though.

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Poster: yur worst enemy too Date: Dec 11, 2009 5:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

lol... your a dumbass

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Poster: jessandra Date: Dec 11, 2009 7:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

sometimes .....

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Poster: yur worst enemy too Date: Dec 11, 2009 7:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

not you jessandra, davebigboy dumbass

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Poster: jessandra Date: Dec 11, 2009 11:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

Sorry, I linked to the post via email notification and didn't see the comment before.

So sometimes I really am too ;-)

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Poster: davebigdaddy Date: Dec 11, 2009 2:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

check out this link jess:

http://www.rockbox.org/

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Poster: yur worst enemy too Date: Dec 11, 2009 3:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

FYI DBD, flac,shn,wav are all large files dumbass

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Dec 10, 2009 10:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

thought of you when i read this yesterday

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34329873/ns/business-the_big_money/

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Poster: clashcity Date: Dec 10, 2009 10:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

Ha! Thanks for the link...

My reading comprehension might be average... but I reckon the author of the article just tried to justify fashion over function.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Dec 10, 2009 10:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

i think they were arguing that both were important ("people like fantastic products" not people like slick packaging), but even more important is that the product was more important than how the message was delivered.

There is no doubt that Apple has lead the way in making appealing packaging, however if the products were all crap people would not likely step into that pile a second or third time and do so at a premium price.

btw Apple doesn't have the exclusion market cornered. People were hacking the Compaq netbooks because their processor could run Mac OSX. Apparently they have now adjusted something and now it can't be done. I wonder who got pissed about the idea of PCs running Mac software?

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Poster: clashcity Date: Dec 10, 2009 1:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

It all depends on what your idea of fantastic is. MacBook - not so fantastic really. iPhone - ok its fantastic, but thanks to the damn device data plan charges are likely to rise.

I wonder if the netbook was due to people screwing the computer up more than anything.

I've only gone the Hackintosh on VM Ware route (which works well except for sound), but from what I read one can screw up a machine if an OSx86 install isn't done correctly.

Either way Apple may not have the exclusion market cornered, but they are the leader by a vast margin.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Dec 10, 2009 7:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

agree about apple being too exclusive. practically cost them their business by the end of the 90s. ipod and itunes saved the company. I use parallels to run windows on my mac and it works pretty well so i essentially have both machines now.

As for the MacBook, I have a high end MacBook Pro and it is quite a beast. It costs a small fortune but I no longer need a desktop computer. In my work i use massive excel spreadsheets (500 columns x 50,000 rows) and to mess with them, stream a show from here and argue with you about computers at the same time.....fantastic.

have a good evening clash.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 10, 2009 10:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

I hear that CC, but even the generics at Walgreen's don't do what she speaks of, right? Meaning, the sound degradation isn't BECAUSE it's an ipod...that's what I am getting at...I admit to being a sheep, but have tried "non brand" names, and they work about the same (and as you note, cost MUCH less!).

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Poster: clashcity Date: Dec 10, 2009 10:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

I agree. Most likely its the volume on the iPod turned up to high and that would occur on just about any player.

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Dec 10, 2009 12:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

I am no expert on this as I do not own an Ipod...I do know a bit about stereo system and such... I figure id give a penny for the thought on account of I don't have a full 2 cents worth. This is just a complete shot in the dark but it worked out for a friend of mine.....try adjusting the volume down on the Ipod and then up on the car stereo. You should not lose any quality of sound by transferring your files to an ipod and should sound as ts they sound on disk...

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Dec 10, 2009 5:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

How are you converting to .mp3? The standard setting on itunes is 128 kbps constant bit rate (CBR) which is pretty crappy. I typically use 256 kbps CBR or at least 192 variable bit rate (VBR) which is what you get when you download here. I have a big ipod (big ipod little...whatever) so I use 256 kbps VBR or I load songs in a lossless format. You can't play your shn or flac directly on the ipod (well you can do the flac but it requires a little work, google flac on itunes and you will find how to do it). However you can play .wav or .aiff. These non-compressed lossless will take up about 10x the space as a 128 kbps so this my not be practical. You can also use ALAC (also known as Apple Lossless) which is like FLAC in that it takes up about half the space of a .wav or .aiff but is lossless. Most of the options to import into itunes for these are found in the import settings under preferences in itunes.

One last issue. How are you listening to the ipod through your car? I used to use an itrip which was okay but not great, now i have an AUX jack that I can plug my ipod into and play directly through the stereo and this is much better. However I have done the direct comparison between a show that I had on disc and one on the ipod and the CD wins hands down. I used the commercial release of 3ftv so I may have stacked the deck a little. I was listening to 4-29-71 this morning through the ipod and it sounded great.

Good luck.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Dec 10, 2009 9:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

I can hear the difference between 128k and 256k pretty easily, and don't have good equipment.

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Dec 10, 2009 7:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

I also recently converted from iTrip to direct connect, and there is a significant improvement. In my case, I actually have a USB port in the car, so the connection is even better than that of the 16th inch stereo plug. My only issue here is that I've never used iTunes to manage my library, as I've said before, I've always used Sharepod. Problem here is that when I connect the iPod via USB, while I can control the device through the car stereo, it now only shows which track number of the thousands that I have on the iPod it is. No track naming at all.

I will probably rework the iPod to iTunes and see if I can get accurate track listings.

On another note, I also have XM now. So much fun to have good old channel 57 available to me. A distinct pleasure.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Dec 10, 2009 8:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

When i got the new car they wanted like 300 bucks to make it ipod compatible (USB) so I opted for the 8 dollar stereo plug through the aux jack. I don't get the track listings either nor does it power my ipod (i still use the itrip as a power cord).

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Dec 10, 2009 8:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

I'm not rich, and actaully wouldn't have sprung 300bux for the ipod adaptor. It came with the car. I actually wish it had come with bluetooth, as that's actually more important to me. But, having used the iTrip, and living in Chicago, there are no areas on the dial that are particularly free from signal. If I could have found a completely void frequency, I might have been happier with the iTrip.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Dec 10, 2009 8:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

I found one sweet spot in Miami and amazingly it works in Atlanta as well (90.5). I don't recall if 90.5 is a station in Chicago, been too long since I lived there. However it does not compare to the direct plug in and for long drives it is soooo much better because you don't have to make changes along the way.

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Dec 10, 2009 9:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: New toy - tech question & opinion (non-dead)

on that we agree. Now if I can get the dashboard display to show me what I'm really listening to, that would be awesome.